in washington are afraid to make these kind of investments and we just haven't been doing it. >> certainly, we've had tens of thousands of men and women, brian shactman, building roads elsewhere, creating infrastructure elsewhere. >> it's sort of the question because, you know, when it comes to washington, d.c. the culture of deferral, a perfect example how the recovery act -- i don't know if you were able to hear the conversation with governor rendell, mr. lahood, but how do you change the culture in washington, d.c. to get more of a long term view. we talk about every issue kicking the can, the recovery act we could have spontaneity lot of money to do what you're talking about but we did not. how does the culture change >> well, brian, look. we spent of the 800 billion in the economic recovery plan we got 48 billion. we spent 48 billion in two years, we put 65,000 people to work in 15,000 projects. >> i'll push back a little bit.